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Overview: While upbeat lingo abounds about 'complementing strategic objectives' and 'driving productivity', the fact is that most training does not make a significant enough impact on business results, and when it does, training professionals fail to make a convincing case about the value added to the bottom line. The vaunted 'business partnership model' has yet to be realized - and in tough economic times, when the training budget is often the first to be cut, training is on trial for its very existence. Using a courtroom trial as a metaphor, "Training on Trial" seeks to get to the truth about why training fails and puts the business partnership model to work for real. Readers on both sides of the 'courtroom' will learn how to stop viewing training as a cost center, and bridge the gulf between what learning functions deliver and what business units need to execute their strategies. A thought-provoking read for trainers and business unit leaders alike, "Training on Trial" provides a new application of the Kirkpatrick Four - 'Level Evaluation Model and a multitude of tips and techniques that allow lessons learned to be put into action now.
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James D. Kirkpatrick is a writer and avid reader based in the Pacific Northwest. Before pursuing writing full-time, they spent over a decade working in education. When not working on their next book, James D. Kirkpatrick can usually be found hiking with their dog or trying out new coffee shops in their neighborhood.
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Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Definitely recommend it if you like this genre.
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Finished it in a couple of days. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Glad I picked this up.
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Finished it in a couple of days. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Glad I picked this up.
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Such a great read. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. A solid 5/5 for me.
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Such a great read. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. A solid 5/5 for me.
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A very satisfying read. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Will be looking for more from this author.
Jessica ClarkMay 05, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. The pacing was spot on and the characters felt real. I didn't find myself getting bored at any point. Would probably read it again at some point.
Emily JonesOctober 11, 2024
Glad someone recommended this to me. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. Would probably read it again at some point.
Lisa PerezSeptember 03, 2024
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. Still a good book.
Thomas CruzFebruary 10, 2025
Took me a few chapters to get into it, but it was worth it. Writing is good, just wish there was a bit more depth in certain parts. Still kept my attention though. A solid 4 stars from me.
Eric ClarkNovember 22, 2025
It was just alright. It felt a bit repetitive in the middle. Could have been shorter. It's fine if you have nothing else to read.
Susan ParkerMarch 01, 2025
A very satisfying read. I got really invested in the main character's journey. Everything just clicked for me. Would probably read it again at some point.
Donald ThompsonFebruary 26, 2025
Honestly one of the better books I've read lately. It has a good balance of dialogue and description. Everything felt like it moved at the right speed. A solid 5/5 for me.
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Good, but not quite perfect. The middle dragged a tiny bit, but the ending totally made up for it. Not bad at all.
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Glad someone recommended this to me. The writing style is very engaging. It’s easy to follow but still has a lot of depth. Glad I picked this up.
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